We got the following comment on our dual recall post:
Perhaps you should spend a little time reading this bill. 1)There is no requirement for the circulator to show up in person. 2) Typically, ballot initiatives are not publically debated until the initiative starts getting its "legs"; at the same time, many people sign the petitions only because they feel the inititative process is part of a traditial process, and may not know the details of the initiative until later. This bill allows the elector to petition for removal of signature in a timely manner. I do not read this bill as being malicious to Colorado citizens; rather, I read it as establishing the rules of conduct for petitioners and circulators.
I find it particularly ironic that you would push for recall of Stephens, yet in an earlier blog you support RHINO Marostica after he pushes a bill to allow unlimited growth of Colorado government. Based on 2008 results, I'd say Stephens is one of the most popular legislators in Colorado. Given your intentions to to take on Schultheis, this may not be your finest hour.
Some history is in order here. HB 1326 was written by Terrance Carroll. Its first listed Senate sponsor is Brandon Shaffer. Those two have written laws before that do the opposite of what they appear to do, and this bill is written in a way that it can be manipulated so that it can do the exact same thing.
In 2008, Shaffer wrote SB08-054, renewing the Judicial Performance Commission law. Carroll was the house sponsor. I was involved and have written extensively about it on this blog.
One of the things that I wanted included that Schaffer did not was a requirement that commissioners who discovered judicial misconduct or unlawful conduct be required to report it. Actually, as I pointed out to Schaffer, the 4 lawyers on the commission were already required by their ethics rules to make those reports.
With the connivance of the Supreme Court, Schaffer set out to eliminate the requirement for lawyer reporting. In mid January, the Supreme Court approved a new rule which eliminated a pre-existing method for commissions to make reports on judicial misconduct. In its place it substituted a rule that was SILENT on the subject of how to make reports.
45 days later, Shaffer amended his own bill to require that commissioners make such reports but only by following the rules set out by the state commission, rules that no longer existed. Since no mechanism to make reports existed, no reports would be made, even by the 4 lawyers on the commission. It was slick but highly unethical lawmaking.
Thus, the law appeared to say exactly the opposite of what would happen. Of course Carroll and Shaffer knew what they were doing.
I tried to alert Amy Stephens, who sat on the house judiciary as to what was going on. She told me she would alert her fellow Republicans.
I went to Denver to testify against the bill. In my 3 alloted minutes, I did nothing but list the anti-public aspects of the bill, including the fact that it did the opposite of what it seemed to do. Amy Stephens stayed in the room, but half of the other Republicans went to relieve themselves while I testified. No Republican had a question after my testimony. Every one voted for the bill. I was Mr. Cellophane.
Now we have all of the same players involved with HB09-1326. Someone has stuck a neat little phrase into that bill that allows the Supreme Court to do to it what it did to SB08-054.
Permits a circulator who is not present in the state to testify by telephone or any other means permitted under the Colorado rules of civil procedure.
The way I read this, only out of state circulators can testify by telephone, and then only if the Supreme Court doesn't change the rules of civil procedure, as it has the sole authority to do.
The language in the bill is:
(3) AS PART OF ANY COURT PROCEEDING OR HEARING CONDUCTED
BY THE SECRETARY OF STATE RELATED TO A PROTEST OF ALL OR PART OF
A PETITION SECTION, THE CIRCULATOR OF SUCH PETITION SECTION SHALL
BE REQUIRED TO MAKE HIMSELF OR HERSELF AVAILABLE TO BE DEPOSED
AND TO TESTIFY IN PERSON, BY TELEPHONE, OR BY ANY OTHER MEANS
PERMITTED UNDER THE COLORADO RULES OF CIVIL PROCEDURE. THE
PETITION SECTION THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF THE PROTEST SHALL BE
INVALID IF A CIRCULATOR FAILS TO COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENT SET
FORTH IN THIS SUBSECTION (3) FOR ANY PROTEST THAT INCLUDES AN
ALLEGATION OF ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:
Note that the circulator doesn't make the choice as to how he will testify in this language. The court does. Once again, since the Supreme Court has the authority to bend the Colorado Rules of Civil Procedure any way it chooses, you can bet that circulators will be required to testify in person.
Because the close coordination on SB 08-054 between Shaffer, Carroll, and the Supreme Court resulted in an anti-public law that appeared to say the opposite of what it actually says, the odds are very high that HB09-1326 will suffer the same fate.
My bet is that Amy Stephens never figured out that Shaffer and Carroll made her and other Republicans look like fools on SB 54.
Now, the public is supposed to trust her to figure out what the same Democrats and the same Supreme Court are doing to Republicans on the initiative process? Not likely. She has lost her credibility in this corner.
I would ask that readers try to assume that there is some level of attempted sophistication in what I write. An assumption that I didn't read the bill I was writing about forced a more thorough explanation that made Amy Stephens look worse than I originally intended. She is a nice lady, and a well meaning legislator, but past events show her out of her depth when competing with or even trying to understand what Terrance Carroll and Brandon Shaffer are doing.
There are many more obnoxious provisions in this bill that promote fraud against petition sponsors and ordinary voters. For example, suppose someone forged a friend's signature with his knowledge. The circulator wouldn't know and couldn't stop it. Later, the whole section would be thrown out when that single forgery was proved, as it would be. 29 legitimate signatures would be discarded because of premeditated and coordinated fraud. It is exactly what unions would try to do, and why the provision is in the bill. Worse, some clever prosecutor might try to prosecute the circulator as a means of suppressing petition gathering.
-------
As to the other points. The commenter didn't explain why an elector who signed an initiative in good faith should have his signature thrown out while an elector who fraudulently signs with the intention of later withdrawing his signature in the hopes of disqualifying the initiative should be able to do so. You support fraud and oppose good faith when that happens.
A more careful reading of my essay on Marostica would show that I don't support what he has done and I don't oppose a primary though I think that he would likely win. I just don't want him thrown out of the party in a cycle when we will be doing redistricting.
Finally, I was presenting an option with my dual recall post. The clue you missed was the word "Maybe" in the title. If you tried to read between the lines, I never actually said that I supported what I was proposing, (though I probably would) and I didn't say what I thought the likely outcome would be...a pick up of Apuan's seat and the retention of a chastised Stephens seat. Recall elections in close districts often result in a change of party. Stephens has a Gerrymandered district that makes her less careful about protecting Republican interests regarding initiatives, but that is reality.
Even if you dislike my method, I did raise the prospect of recall for the twenty or so Democrats who co-sponsored this bill. Brandon Shaffer is not in a safe district, for example. It is something Republicans should be thinking about.